Khaire to everyone

Im getting ready to order a Kranoi and have just one "tiny" problem
The Kranoi has a crest ( which definately very good ) BUT the horse hair is the wrong colour

I need to find a way to change the colour of the horse hair from "sand" to a nice respectable "Spartan Red"... does anybody know which dyes etc are best for the job

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated

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When someone asked Demaratus why he was an exile from Sparta, he said:
"Because her laws are more powerful than I am"-------- Plutarch on Sparta


http://www.spartan-world.de

Hi,
Could you please, post a link or a photo?
It would be very nice to have a look on it.

I would be interested too in colouring techniques, and it would be interesting too which colours where used and which where practicable to do for oneself.
Kind regards
Strategos

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Strategos a.k.a Willi Miesen a.k.a. Ariston

So wirklich viel kann ich da nicht beitragen. Polybios beschreibt für die vorchristlichen Römer der hohen Republik, dass die hastati, um größer zu wirken drei Federn trugen, die entweder rot oder schwarz (gefärbt) waren.

Wie sie diese Färbung erreicht haben, entzieht sich meinem Wissen.

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Wer war froher als Neanth, da er sich Meister von diesem wundervollen
Instrumente sah, wodurch er, ohne das mindeste von der Musik zu
verstehen, der Erbe des Talents eines Orpheus zu sein glaubte! - Lukian

Tib. Gabinius Primus
alias Talos
alias Tobias

Ill gladly post a link / picture in the next few days, no problem

The main problem isnt "which type of dye would have been used in the ancient world"..... more.... how do I get a good red colour into the horsehair which will STAY red !!!

A pretty important point is that I am quite USELESS in this sort of thing
I am more of a "fact finder" and "connecting point" for other reenactors who also deal with ancient Greece so practical experience in: cutting, glueing, making my own material is VERY limited (for the moment !)

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When someone asked Demaratus why he was an exile from Sparta, he said:
"Because her laws are more powerful than I am"-------- Plutarch on Sparta


http://www.spartan-world.de

Hi Othryades,

is it white coloured horse hair? Other colours will not work!

Then you should try to dye with the heaviest recent hair dyes, probably from a goth or punk shop!? Before dying clean the hair from fat.

The antique way was maybe with textile (wool) dyes. Should work.

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Steve Lenz

"Dein Stuhl kann gar nicht niedrig genug sein,
als dass sich nicht jemand finden ließe, welcher diesen noch
niedriger sägen würde, wenn er sich den Hauch eines Vorteils
davon verspricht, Steve!" Frank S.(einer meiner Ausbilder)

Hi Stephanos,

The crest is a "sand" colour. It is very light so I was hoping that the dye would work.

Ill see what I can get in the way of strong hair dyes.... might even try it on myself

Thanks for the tip.

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When someone asked Demaratus why he was an exile from Sparta, he said:
"Because her laws are more powerful than I am"-------- Plutarch on Sparta


http://www.spartan-world.de

Well..... Ive ordered the Kranoi

Heres the details (as promised, especially for Stratgos ) for anyone who is interested :
I have ordered it from "Aus Omas Truhe ", guess you are all aware of the company from ebay etc.

The Kranoi was / is under the title of: AH6058BP Helm der Korinther, Griechenland,500 v.Chr.m. Helmbusch
The "simple" model without the horsehair crest is naturally cheaper but I think that the price is a good one, not too cheap but also not too expensive.

Price for the Kranoi: €124.00
Postage and packing: €11.50
TOTAL PRICE: €135.50

Ive attached a couple of pictures of the Kranoi

p.s.
The inner skull cap is also included with the Kranoi

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When someone asked Demaratus why he was an exile from Sparta, he said:
"Because her laws are more powerful than I am"-------- Plutarch on Sparta


http://www.spartan-world.de

Klasse, dann hast du ihn ja schon zum Lager

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Philippos

Athina Itonia


“I have never seen before something more terrible than the Macedonian phalanx”
Plutarch “Life of Aemilius Paulus”

Huch!
Its the same one which I was looking for !!
I was thinking about it since last summer, but unfortunately, not enough money, not enough time..........
Yes, the price is a real good one, and the crest is better then most Depeeka Crests.
I see, now i must be creative with the one i will buy, maybe a black and white crest, or some black paint on the front..........
Kind regards
Strategos

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Strategos a.k.a Willi Miesen a.k.a. Ariston

I have had a look at the "Kult of Athena" website which is usually good with prices etc.
Taking into account the exchange rate from US Dollars to Euro...... the Kranoi is cheaper here in Germany !!!!

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@ Strategos
Check out the basic Corinithian Kranoi without the crest, I think it was being sold for about €90. Im sure that a crest etc can be added to it using the great info on the Hetairoi website
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Ill let you all know about the fit of the Kranoi ( My head is quite big and I have had problems fitting into most of the "Corinths" ) and also the quality of it after I have recieved it

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When someone asked Demaratus why he was an exile from Sparta, he said:
"Because her laws are more powerful than I am"-------- Plutarch on Sparta


http://www.spartan-world.de

Hello to everyone

I ordered the Kranoi on SUNDAY....... it arrived TODAY

That was a lightning fast delivery and the package contains:
Kranoi
Horsehair crest
Inner Skull lining

I can only fully recommend odering the same Kranoi as the quality is really good as well.

Othryades

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When someone asked Demaratus why he was an exile from Sparta, he said:
"Because her laws are more powerful than I am"-------- Plutarch on Sparta


http://www.spartan-world.de

Wow! Thats really fast.
And now I know what to order shortly !
How are the hooks for fitting the crest?
Kind regards
Strategos

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Strategos a.k.a Willi Miesen a.k.a. Ariston

The hooks will have to be "pushed together" to let them fit into the wooden slots in the crest. The crest is held in place by the pressure of the hooks pushing against the wooden slots.

The fit:
The only negative thing about the Kranoi is the noseguard...... it is exactly in line with the cheek guards and presses against my nose
Does anybody know the best position on the noseguard to pull it out a bit without breaking it off ?

Other than that, full vision.... a nice fit on the ears and well...... the lads at work were BLOWN AWAY by the Kranoi

Othryades

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When someone asked Demaratus why he was an exile from Sparta, he said:
"Because her laws are more powerful than I am"-------- Plutarch on Sparta


http://www.spartan-world.de

Hi to all

The noseguard problem has been solved.... just a bit of physical pressure (fingers and thumbs ) and I now have a Kranoi which doesnt try and break my nose

Have a great weekend everybody

Othryades

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When someone asked Demaratus why he was an exile from Sparta, he said:
"Because her laws are more powerful than I am"-------- Plutarch on Sparta


http://www.spartan-world.de

Well, after a long wait I finally found someone to colour the crest .... it´s now a respectable Spartan red

I now have the next "little" challenge ! The hair itself is looking great but is sadly not standing up anymore......

I´ve looked into various ways to bring the crest back up: lemon juice, saliva (SPIT!!) and obviously modern hair spray and wax....

Has anybody had any experience with this kind of problem ?

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When someone asked Demaratus why he was an exile from Sparta, he said:
"Because her laws are more powerful than I am"-------- Plutarch on Sparta


http://www.spartan-world.de